Aminin nyo na: napahiya si BBM kay Zaldy Co 

No, it turns out syempre Malakanyang nagsabi rito. Siguro naman confirmed ito no. Base sa Malakanyang eh nag-a-apply ng political asylum itong si Zald at diyan sa France. No, how would this affect the they push for the by the government to to get him back and face all the charges against him dito sa Pilipinas? Alam mo sobrang sobrang ah anong tawag dito? Parang nasabi ko nung isang araw na parang medyo anong tawag? Sorry, nag-e-echo ha.

So medyo nakaka-distract. So medyo pressent ‘yung nasabi ko last time na kung sakaling mag-apply man ng asylum si Mr. ko, it would be a very different story. Pero I stopped it there kasi sabi ko, we were working with the presumption that he had a Portuguese passport. And if he did have a Portuguese passport, hindi siya pwedeng mag-apply ng asylum ng basta-basta lang within the European Union because he’s a European citizen.

And not only that, he would have the right of abode in other places that would be deemed safe. So that asylum claim would not fly. So again like taking into consideration that the source of fats here is malakanyang and medyo nakuryente tayo in the last two weeks. So parang I’ll take it with a grain of salt.

 Parang kung totoo itong sinasabi na meron nga talaga siyang asylum claim na live in France ibig sabihin hindi siya Portuguese national. It’s it’s very logical na ganun yung ah situation most likely. Ah but of course na natin masasabi na baka naman ginawa niya yun. Um kasi mayro’on din naman case ng mga European citizens who have pled a European Union country for another European country or European Union country for political exile.

 For example, yung dating leader ng um Catalan uh separatist groups uh nung about this was around 2018 and he fled to Belgium lived in Brussels all his life until recently kaya lang recently lang sila nagkaaregluan sa Spain. Hindi naman out of the ordinary na hindi naman imposible pero very narrow yung mga circumstances na pupwede to.

 So anong implications nito Christian? So ibig sabihin para na ong ipwedeng i-file sa same folder na na kapareho nung kay Harry Roque na meron na siyang right against nonre full mount. Ano to? Uh basically it just kicks in automatically. It superseds all other principles under international law and domestic law.

 um friends would have to respect it. They do respect it. Uh and the process in um France is not dissimilar to what we’ve been talking about to the Netherlands and to Austria na meron silang two track system. So you make a claim uh and then it is assessed if it’s deemed a normal process it goes through the normal timelines and if there’s a possibility na yung bansa na pinanggagalingan mo that you’re fleeing belongs to a safe list of countries then pwedeng weeks ang bilangin dito.

 Again, anong ibig sabihin pag wala safe list ang Pilipinas para malinaw? Ang ibig sabihin nito is nasa normal processing timeline siya and on paper it looks like it’s 6 months. >> Uh I did check um naglalaro siya anywhere between 3 to 5 months paminsan reaching up to a year if they appeal. So the first office that they go to is the uh uh office hospatride aparatid.

 Um so basically ito iyung mga first instance claim decision maker ito. Then after that he would potentially have a root of appeal through the administrative tribunal iyung sa conational duad d’azil. So ito iyung mga asylum claims. And beyond that meron pa yung parang pinaka-Supreme Court for administrative decisions in France. Kasi separate yan eh from civil and criminal.

Wala silang yung parang Supreme Court natin na iisa. So sa kanila sa France yung um administrative decisions they can go to the uh cool deas if I’m not mistaken. Um essentially decisions okay so ang ano rito ang takeaway dito this would further complicate efforts by the government supposedly to bring back Zaldico.

 No so ang binabanggit mo maximum kung dadaan sa normal root one year. Tama. Uh it looks like it at least for the two levels and then if and beyond that pwede siyang mag-appal sa pwede pang tumagal. Okay? Pwede pang tumagal. So in the meantime hindi pwedeng mapauwi itong si si Zald because he has a level of protection by virtue of his application for a political asylum.

 So anong gagawin ng government dito? Hintay lang. Hintay lang. And uh government to government relations provide all the information that is necessary. It is an administrative decision. It is open to an administrative offer officer to look at extricence and essentially they just have to put it to the uh person claiming asylum to respond to you know issues kasi political asylum claim to so you know they will have to like uh >> um be sensitive about like you know ano iyung reality so like government to government communications um open but at

the same time you know it could uh facilitate like the French government into understanding what’s going Okay. Isa kong tanong dito L no. Ah ano ba yan yung pagtanggap ng application for a political asylum ng isang tao kunwari Zaldico is not simply ministerial and the part of the country let’s say France.

 Kailangan tanggapin nila yan or they also have that option to reject that outright let’s say cighting government to government relations. We don’t want to complicate things and we know who you are. Pwede bang meron bang ganong option or kailangang tanggapin nila yan at daan sa proseso? Yeah, kailangan na silang dumaan sa proseso.

 Built in yan sa proseso. It is an international commitment that France has. They respect international law. They respect the rights of refugees and asylum seekers. Um you know the best that could happen here is potentially uh for some reason mai-determine na itong case na ito is, you know, on its face. Uh clearly walang merit if that’s the case it could go through the faster process instead of the normal process.

In that case, weeks ang bilangan. Okay. In the meantime, again ha, we are assuming here na totoo yung sinabi ng Malakanyang naga-apply ng political asylum si Zaltic sa France. So ibig sabihin uh during the throughout the process nasa France lang siya. Hindi siya pwedeng lumabas to any other Schengen area or country.

>> That’s correct. And you know, putting in the Dublin regulations into the mix. So ibig sabihin yung visa niya was issued by the French uh embassy in Manila most likely. um because that’s where he should be claiming assuming na correctly filed yung kanyang asylum claim. If that’s the case then he should not be leaving.

 So itong pag-ikot niya sa Europe, yung kanyang European yyung Euro tour niya nakapagtataka. The only way that I can kind of like make sense of it is if he filed it very recently and baka nakapuslit lang nakalabas. Alam naman natin yung iba nakakalabas at nakakapasok ulit because uh the borders within the Shangen zone you know don’t they don’t really exist in the traditional sense.

 So I don’t know how the French authorities are going to see it. Parang pwede ong gamiting technicalidad as abandonment of of the claim potentially. Uh I don’t know if they’re going to approach it that way pero in theory he should be staying in the country where he claimed asylum. Oo kasi ang problema rito rito hindi natin alam yung sequence eh.

 Hindi natin alam yung timeline no. Sinabi lang ng Malakan niyang naga-a-apply for political asylum. So ang impression ng tao diyan ngayon lang yan nag-apply o recently lang. Pero bakit siya nagik hindi? Pero kung nag-apply siya before, paano siya nakakapag-ikot-ikot? Hindi ba? Correct. I mean there are many different permitations of the situations eh.

Correct. I mean normally those who are in possession of a possession of a Shengen visa can stay up to 90 days in the Shengen zone uh within the 180 day window period ba. So pwede kasi ng situation niyaximize niya iyung 90 days na as a tourist paikot-ikot. Wala namang restriction, wala pa namang warrant, walang red notice.

 So walang restrictions ‘ ba as long as the passport is valid, as long as your IDs are valid and then potentially on the 89th day pwede siyang nag-file ng claim uh within the Shengen state. So uh within France in in that case. Pero once that claim is filed, he’s not supposed to leave. >> Okay. Ito lastly L no.

 So assuming again no, na talagang merong pending application ito si Zaldico, we really have to take it with the sack of salt, no? Hindi lang grain. Ah because of the recent uh tawag dito ah yeah ng ano ng government. Okay. So kailan pwedeng pumasok yung government dito? Pwedeng mag-intervene. Let’s say inform the French authorities about who Zaldico is.

 Tell them that this is the guy that apply who is applying for this political asylum. I would use the normal ano streams if I were the government of the Philippines. So I would use uh the DFA lines of communication uh through the DFA to the embassy uh and get assurances from the French authorities in the French embasses on how they would communicate to whom they would communicate this.

This would potentially be treated as extrinsic evidence by the decision maker. Uh of course uh in an open system Mr. would have the ability to respond to that when faced with the evidence presented by the the government of the Philippines. And also like anyone really could write to the to the to the office in France and basically you know magano kayo maggunting kayo ng mga news clippings.

 I-compile ninyo padala ninyo ah in French in English. At para maintindihan extric evidence to. It’s part of like the uh information gathering process ng decision maker in order to come to a decision. Hindi lang naman yyung um while the burden of proof is of course to the person who is claiming asylum to prove what they’re claiming of course it’s open to the administrative tribunal officer or rather iyung ano nga iyung sa first instance nga niya na tumingin din ng extrinsic evidence.

 So at that point um pupwedeng mag-research kumbaga ah inquisitorial kasi to eh. Hindi naman to actual parang court proceeding. Okay. Ito para lastly no. If you were to advise this government kasi mukhang ang pinag-usapan natin kahapon eh mukha hindi nila alam yung ginagawa nila. Wala silang plano at least based on what they have been uh doing and saying out in public.

 If you were to advise the Marcus administration what would that be on how to go after Zaldico assuming again ha that is really applying for the political asylum. How to go after? Well then the normal lines of communication. through the DFA through the embassy put all the information to the uh to the embassy and ask for it to be transmitted to you know to Paris essentially so that the decision maker has all the information on hand.

 For example, alam nating may live cases against Mr. Cook um you know that decision maker in Paris might not necessarily have access to that. I don’t know if like those readings uh that were filed in a court in the Philippines are online and accessible by the general public. Uh but you know the government could take that initiative.

 Pero ang panawagan ko rin lang siguro is let’s sort the facts out first. Kasi from yesterday’s conversation, it seems to me that they don’t even know their basic facts um in order to actually formulate a prosecutorial strategy for for this particular case. So from you know narration basic narration lang of like the baseline facts you can formulate a strategy na and at that point na nga government to government relations are important so that those uh pieces of information can reach the French government and that the officer deciding

the case will have access to that information. Alam mo Sen ang isa sa mga kinakaawaan ko rito sa buong episode na ito si ano mahal na pangulong Ferdinand Bongbong Marcos Jr. Imaginin mo ikaw yung nag-announce na nahuli na itong si Zaldi ko. Syempre pag panguloy yung nagsabi walang layers of deniability yan ‘di ba is kaya anong gawing masahe nung mga underlings niya eh talagang presidente nagsabi tapos excited na excited yung mga tao talaga so mapapa na yun pala kuryente naman dapat siya eh dapat ah bini-brief nila yung presidente. ano ba

yung mga rules na dito sa Shengen ba tapos dprotect ng yung principal eh dapat may una munang fall guy katulad dito sa show may fall guy eh dapat meron munang na pag sa sakaling mali yung balita siya lang yung sisisihin ‘ ba pag siguradong na yung presidente >> eh dapat matuto sila sao eh no marunong guide >> ah >> pero basically >> kung wala kang red notice ‘di ba kung wala kang kaso na nakasampa sa’yo ah na mangangailangan ng red not sa interpol hindi ka pwedeng hulihin.

 Pwede ka lang i-editate 2 hours. Hindi nga araw eh. F hours lang eh. Tapos papakawalan. >> Kung halimbawa meron kang mga problema sa mga information sa iyong mga ah travel documents eh-check ka lang naman eh tapos ah ka lang ng mga digital copies. Kaan magpaliwanag ka lang. Medyo maluwag dito eh pag nakapasok ka na.

 Kaya nga maraming assign yun. Ikalawa hindi pala nila alam na nagpalom dito sa France. Sigurado may mga trophy po siya rito. Oo. At medyo matagal pa yung proseso niya no. Ah naman kasi ma-reject yung kanyang asylum katulad nung kay Harry Roque pero medyo hindi sa preso. Mm. Pero alam mo Sen, may isang leksyon na pwedeng matutukan nitong si mahal na pangulong Ferdinand Bongbong Marcos Jr.

 doon sa dating pangulo si FBR. I’m sure nadinig mo na ito ano kumbaga isa to sa mga legends ni FBR eh yung tinatawag na complete staff work for due diligence. >> Oo due diligence and complete staff work. Iniisip ko lang wala bang nag-brief sa pangulo ah Mr. President ito po yung mga complications niya no aaga po kaming balita eh mukhang ah na-detain o nahuli sa Czech Republic.

 Eh kung na-excite man yung presidente, sana muna may nagpaliwanag ng ano no ng ramifications and scenarios. Hindi ko alam no ano kay sinabi sa kanya ng DFA kasi yung DOJ correct me frock na nag-presscon kahapon si Secretary Vida eh mukhang clueless din eh. Para bang ha nagulat din siya. Ngayon lang niya nalaman na tatlo pala yung passport.

Naawa ka ‘ ba? Parang basang-basa eh. At nagbiyahe pa ng ganon katagal at kalayo oh at gumasas pa oo ‘di ba >> para malaman bumyahe roon pinadala mo muna yung ASEC tsaka USEC ‘di ba para alamin pupunta ka pag siguradong-surado na again the framework of the fall guy dapat may Fall Guy kasi >> hindi dapat matuto ‘yan sa mga katulad ni Senator Edway eh ito pa ano ah nung nung pinapanood ko ‘yung press conference ni Secretary Vida kahapon.

Parang ano naman sila eh no? Naghahanap sila ng something positive na pwedeng ah ipabaon o maiuuwi sa Pilipinas. Yung sinasabi ah pinag-uusapan na po yung ano tawag doun yung ah possible mutual legal assistance ba or something kumbaga meron silang ah para sabihin na ay hindi meron naman kaming napala sa lakad na ito. Actually wala po eh.

>> Oo >> hindi may naka may mga nakabyahe wala. Okay ‘yun ah. Maganda weather dito ngayon. >> Hindi ba ma hindi pa ba mainit? >> Medyo parang Baguio weather. >> Ah, Baguio. Sa bagay maganda kung nakapasyal man lang sila sa Charles Bridge no’no? At saka John mukhang nagpunta siya sa ano Santo Niño Church diyan eh. Nakita ko eh ‘yung video eh.

Kaya dumaan sila sa Netherlands. Flower Festival ngayon. So >> marami kang mga kwan ah masasamang espirito medyo mae-exercise sa ganda ng mga bulaklak. >> Mm. O sige. Kaya kaya natin pinag-uusapan itong uh ah si Zaldi ko no? Kasi nga isang malaking kahihi nito huwag na po natin i-sugar coat no. Sumabog po ito sa mukha ng pangulo kaya siguro next time is gigil na gigil yung pangulo to take charge of the narrative or to seize the narrative dito sa flood control eh lagyan niya naman po ng konting layers of deniability no medyo

konting ano ano accordon sanitaire ba yon ano ba yung term na ginagamit niya sa yes mga firewall to protect the principal always protect the principal m lalo na parang nakadikit yan doun sa plano nila na sampahan ng kaso si speaker Martinez dahil wala masyadong smoking gun eh ‘di ba yung kay Gotesa missing in action yung 18 marines parang labo nung pidavit so kung sakali ito lang ang kanilang smoking gun eh kaya siguro excited sila so may tama saan dun sa kanilang plan yun na nga nakakapaghinayang yun bakit ganun ang

nangyari >> bakit ganun ang nangyari biglang nawala doon >> pwede bang ano po eh wala naman kasing >> o wala namanay Patay kasi walang walang nakasampang kaso sa kanya. Wala namang red notice eh. So hindi siya pwedeng i-hold ng check authorities. Kailangan siyang pakawalan after a few hours. No yun ang rules.

 Ang dapat ginawa ng malakanyang batas. Dapat ang ginawa ng malakanyang Yes. Yes. Dapat ginawa ng malakanyang sinigurado muna. Tapos eh dapat hindi muna yung presidente ang nagsalita. Iba sa atin ah Congin protect the protect the principal bact the principal ngayon exactly ang nangyayari ngayon iba siya ang pinapasalita even yung mga yung mga ganon na yes magke-create ng IC ng ICI and then yung ganon na yes meron ng kakasuhan o makukulong before the end of the year at hindi naman nila sinigurado bakit hinayaan bakit ang pangulo mismo and sa exat

gan tama kasi nung panahon ni pinoy tayo ang humaharap eh ang tingin ko po kasi diyan eh il advice eh and ah pangalawa parang he’s trying to make up for ah to deal with criticism na hindi siya take charge eh nag-take char take charge siya ang problema naman na sumabog sa mukha niya kasi to be Honest about it, napahiya siya eh.

 Nung siya y’yung nag-announce na nahuli si Zaldo. Tapos yun pala napalabas na ‘ ba. Parang it must be the responsibility of uh the cabinet secretary concerned o ano man sino man mang alter ego or subalteria na dapat ong maging focal point o focal point of focal person sa isang usapin depende sa issue. Sinisigurado yan.

 Kaya ka nga alter ego. You do the things. You do the dirty work so to speak. You do the uh preparatory preparatory work on on behalf of your principal. Para the moment na humarap ang principal mo sa publiko, sigurado ang sinasabi niya na hindi sasablay. >> Tama. >> That’s I think basic. It’s even basic. It’s fundamental sa relationship ng uh ng principal and also agent principal agent and the agents here are the alter egos, the cabinet secretaries and other levels in the executive department.

Ano bang basa niyo pala diyan no? Ah mapapauwi pa kaya saldi ko assuming na totoo yung sinasabi ng Malakanyang naga-apply siya ng political asylum which might take mahirap na kasi kapag makakuha ng political asylum. Pero yung pagkuha ng asylum diyan sa circumstances, the particular circumstances of Saldo, mahihirapan din siyang kumuha ng political asylum.

 Because when you say political asylum, ang premise niyan ay may persecution. >> Mm. Paano masasabing may persecution eh may basehan yyung mga criminal cases now mahihirapan siya sa pag-prove na talagang ginigipit lang siya sa para mapanagot siya o para makabalik siya. Hindi naman ganyan eh. Meron mga kaso na mga implicated siya pero yun na nga wala pa yung pinaka-formal charge in court kaya nga hindi nakapag-apply ng hindi pa nakapag-apply ng red notice.

Again, it’s uh it’s the burden again of our government yung mga responsible officials na i-oppose yan ang application na yan ng political asylum para ipakita nahanan yung mga kinakaharap niyang mga imbestigasyon o mgao para ma-deny application. Yeah.